Us and Them, With and Without, part 1

October 5th, 2008

“With, without.
And who will deny its what the fightings all about?”
-Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon, Us and Them

So Bill Maher’s Religulous put me in the tailspin that I expected it would. We have roughly 1.5 to 2 billion people fighting over the existence of 14 million. One side believes they need to die, the other believes they need to overcome… and then there’s confusion with the temple of the mount and wailing wall. Frankly, I don’t get it, but I do understand history, and George Santayana - “Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

One of the core tenants about Religulous isn’t about the stupidity of religious people (yes, I call it stupidity), but the need to confront these people, like a psychiatrist guides a patient to confront their issues. I wonder how many psychologists and councilors go home after a long day’s work and think, “What a bunch of stupid fucking ‘tards?”

I was chatting with a good friend about why other terrorists don’t get on planes, land in the US and start blowing themselves up. I believe its because once you get to the US, it’s a completely different Earth than the rest of the world. Yeah, we’re imperialistic assholes that have a penchant for bombing brown people.

NPR’s All in the Media today ran a piece on how cable news is fracturing the need to be unbiased. We’ve known for a long time that Fox is an unbiased source, but the reason why people watch it is because it wont challenge their “views” - it’s never going to show a soldier crying as his face gets shot off. We listen to the music we like most. We watch the shows we like the most. We subscribe to the earthly world view that makes us comfortable.

The difference between faith and rationalism is that faith requires you to lie to yourself and hope for the best. Rationalism forces you to prepare, and sometimes causes nihilism which is an emotional land of hopelessness. JMS has an important saying here, but there’s something I use to address hope in a life of reason.

Human’s evolved on this planet for 200,000 years and have roughly 50,000 years of culture. While atheism has been around on and off for thousands of years, it’s rarely been a political movement, and when it’s been included as a tenant of politics, well, how do YOU summarize Soviet Russia and Soviet China? Not the most enlightend of societies.

And slowly, atheists are fighting to gain hold of people’s hearts and minds, but… I wonder if it’s worth it? Once you reject your dominant culture, you’re very likely to not want to join groups again without a healthy skepticism. So, not only do we have to move extreme believers to less irrational, but we also have to move the less irrational to the skeptic, and the skeptics to the active atheistic culture.

The Bright movement is one way for “conciousness awareness” - and it’s doing a very good job at it, but it’s not going to be enough. There’s literally billions of monotheists out there which can’t, won’t or are not allowed to go to the-Brights.net, let’s alone access to the internet.

Plus, there’s the last issue: no one likes being told that their big, invisible buddy is a myth. When you do, you risk death, anger, and other stupid responses. Very few atheists I know have the missionary spirit in them: “Sir, have you heard the good word about Darwin?” seems that it just wont work, does it?

(To be continued)

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2 Comments »

  1. John Stargazer says

    I totally agree about needing a little more reason in todays world, being the powers-that-be very related to monotheistic religions, but, do you really think that it’s necessary to disregard the supernatural as mere “myth” or fantasy? As a form of colective delusion?
    The point it’s not whether you are monotheistic, politheistic, budhist or whatever, or whether you believe ing do or not; it’s just that I think that the progressive evvolution of science itself has been proving that there’s so much more beyond the limits of the matherial world, beyond the walls of flesh, human logic, or reason.
    And besides, why blame religion, or God him/herself for the case, when I think it’s more than obvious to this point, that the problems in the world are not God’s fault, or any god’s fault, but Man’s fault? Wars are fought for money, for power, for the sake of a dominant class to preserve the status quo, and all that shit! Basic fucking conspiracy theory. The funniest thing is that I’m practically playing devil’s advocate by defending God, he he! Ah re!!
    I consider myself agnostic, but open minded; although, I’m afraid that the limit of my open.mindedness is definned when the possibiliy of an unnatural relm, if you wanna call it like that, is regarded only as myth, or fantasy, or just as part of a development stage of human mind I mean, there’s also the possibility that human reason may be overestimated! I mean, there’s no way that a mystical thinking has diven the world to it’s current satate of bussines! Religions and shit have played their part, yes, but ultimately, it has always been about power; money and power!
    At least, that’s what I think.

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  2. John Stargazer says

    Well, one thing is true: people are either crazy or stupid, or both, and they would do anything, buy anything, believe in anything, for a piece of “salvation”. And that’s why smart people are a rare species. Now, I can DO tell that thru my breif life in this world, I’ve met cool religious people. After all, even them can think as individuals, and stand out over the rest of the herd, fucking stupid one-track sheeps!
    Peace!

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